{"id":166,"date":"2024-06-28T15:26:40","date_gmt":"2024-06-28T15:26:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/friscotimes.org\/?p=166"},"modified":"2024-06-28T15:26:40","modified_gmt":"2024-06-28T15:26:40","slug":"opinion-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/friscotimes.org\/?p=166","title":{"rendered":"Opinion | Who Won the First Presidential Debate?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Times Opinion asked 12 of our columnists and contributors to watch the presidential debate on Thursday night, assess who won and who lost and distill what stood out to them. They rated the candidates on a scale of 0 to 5: 0 means the night didn\u2019t change anything; 5 means one man triumphed. Here\u2019s what our columnists and contributors thought of the event.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"css-1u37br4 eoo0vm40\" id=\"link-3a1c6280\">Who won and why<\/h2>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Josh Barro <\/strong>Joe Biden failed at his key task: showing voters he\u2019s still cut out for the presidency. In the first 20 minutes he was especially disastrous: mumbling, at times incoherent, and seeming really, really old. Trump seemed more normal than usual \u2014 enough for a clear win.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Jamelle Bouie <\/strong>Well, we had a raspy and stumbling President Biden and a deranged and incoherent Donald Trump, who spent two hours unleashing a stream of lies. Is there a winner here? Nah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">David French <\/strong>Trump won, but not because of Trump. The best that can be said about his comprehensively dishonest performance is that he didn\u2019t seem unhinged. The lower-information voters who are propping up his campaign won\u2019t know how much he lied. Biden lost this debate for a simple reason: He acted his age in a way that can\u2019t be spun and can\u2019t be explained away.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Michelle Goldberg <\/strong>Trump, God help us. He spouted a fire hose of preposterous lies, but Biden was too incoherent to capitalize on any of it. Biden looked ancient and sounded lost. There will now be a new chorus of cries for him to drop out, and I\u2019ll be joining it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Jean Guerrero <\/strong>Trump. He relied on anti-immigrant hatemongering to cast himself as a defender of Black and brown communities. \u201cThey\u2019re taking Black jobs, and they\u2019re taking Hispanic jobs,\u201d he said. It was deceptive and degenerate, but Biden had no strategy against it, and nobody fact-checked Trump. His scapegoating will resonate with many struggling people.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Matt Labash <\/strong>Trump was everything he always is, even if a much-restrained, lesser version of it: Trump is still crazy, largely fact-free and dishonest. But Biden needed to convince doubters he was hale and hearty, and he sounded like a dying humidifier or my great-grandfather giving his last will and testament.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Carlos Lozada <\/strong>Despite his multiple falsehoods, particularly regarding Jan. 6 and the state of the economy, Trump won the debate. He won it by forfeit. The Biden of 2020, even the Biden of this year\u2019s State of the Union, did not show up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Katherine Mangu-Ward <\/strong>Trump won. Obviously. But the message that came across most clearly in this debate is that far too much power resides with the presidency and it\u2019s long past time to rethink the extent of executive authority. (Bonus score of 5 for Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, who kept order, politely reiterated questions where appropriate and, above all, functioned as moderators, not arbitrators.)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Dan McCarthy <\/strong>Trump won as the more commanding presence, with a tighter focus on his themes, particularly immigration. He struck a sharp contrast with Biden, who sounded hoarse and seemed to be campaigning from some other century, with his attacks on tax cuts. The president seemed to think he was Walter Mondale against Ronald Reagan in 1984.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Lydia Polgreen <\/strong>No one won this debate, but there is no question who lost: anyone who plans to cast a ballot for president in November. It was a debacle for Biden. He was barely audible at times. He flubbed answers on his strongest issues, from abortion to democracy. Trump just lied, lied and lied, and no one \u2014 certainly not the moderators and, worse, not even Biden \u2014 rebutted him in the smallest way. Trump blustered and glowered. He attacked Biden viciously and looked like a bully. This is the choice Americans are facing. This was a disaster for America.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Kristen Soltis Anderson <\/strong>Biden\u2019s demeanor and performance were so unsettling that they overwhelmed nearly every other factor. True debate on substance was rendered nearly impossible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Bret Stephens <\/strong>Trump, decisively. He evaded questions, made false statements and preposterous claims and was bombastic from the first moment to the last. But he was forceful, confident and energetic against an opponent who just seemed like a very old and very feeble 81-year-old.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"css-1u37br4 eoo0vm40\" id=\"link-2f86371d\">Most pivotal moment<\/h2>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Anderson<\/strong> \u201cI really don\u2019t know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don\u2019t think he knows what he said, either.\u201d That is the clip that will make the rounds for the next four months and beyond.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Barro <\/strong>Biden lost the debate with his rambling early answer that ended with him bragging that, under his leadership, we \u201cfinally beat Medicare.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Bouie <\/strong>If by \u201cpivotal\u201d we mean something that meaningfully changed the debate, I\u2019m not sure there was one. Biden gained a little more footing as time went on, and Trump became more agitated, but no matter when you tuned in, it was basically the same.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">French <\/strong>The first five minutes. Biden got stronger as the debate went on, but from the moment he began to speak, he did not seem up to the job. Even the split-screen visuals were deeply damaging to Biden. All Americans have experience with age, either their own or their parents\u2019 or grandparents\u2019. You simply can\u2019t persuade them to stop believing the evidence of their own eyes and ears.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Goldberg <\/strong>Trump teed up Biden to talk about abortion with his outrageous falsehood about \u201ceverybody\u201d wanting Roe overturned. And Biden responded with an incomprehensible word salad that included, \u201cThere\u2019s a lot of young women being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Guerrero <\/strong>At one point, Biden almost mentioned that immigrants are the <a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/immigration-jobs-economy-wages-gdp-trump-biden-fbd1f2ec89e84fdfaf81d005054edad0\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">reason<\/a> we aren\u2019t in a recession. But he didn\u2019t finish the thought; he sounded weak and confused. It was devastating. He failed to reshape the immigration narrative as he must do to defeat Trump.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Labash <\/strong>Biden\u2019s brain freezes and non sequiturs. He had more command of the facts. He prepped diligently. But since when do voters care about facts? They tend to vote viscerally. And even if he grew stronger as the night wore on, Biden seemed like he was auditioning for the glue factory.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Lozada <\/strong>The first moment Biden spoke.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Mangu-Ward <\/strong>Asked about their respective advanced ages, the candidates responded by squabbling about who had the lower golf handicap. This was not reassuring.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">McCarthy <\/strong>Biden lost his train of thought more than once when discussing Medicare, which, together with his rasping voice, will confirm for many voters that he is mentally and physically unfit for a second term.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Polgreen <\/strong>Trump was absolutely prepared for the Jan. 6 question and seemed to know he could get away with basically anything in his answer. He said: Everything was great, and regardless of what happened that day, Biden has made the country much worse. In a debate in which moderators did not engage in any fact-checking, facing an opponent who simply could not muster a coherent response, Trump just got away with something close to murder.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Stephens<\/strong> Early in the debate, Biden stumbled over his words and lost his train of thought after a question about the national debt. He lost the debate then and there. His very presence on the stage felt like a form of elder abuse.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<h2 class=\"css-1u37br4 eoo0vm40\" id=\"link-6fb7e9f4\">Something small but revealing \u2026<\/h2>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Anderson <\/strong>Biden claimed to be \u201cthe only president\u201d this decade not to \u201chave any troops dying anywhere in the world.\u201d This seems to erase the <a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/article\/us-soldiers-killed-afghanistan.html\" title=\"\">13 U.S. soldiers<\/a> who died in the Kabul airport attack during our withdrawal from Afghanistan while Biden was president. I expect this will be raised repeatedly by the Trump team in the days and weeks ahead.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Barro <\/strong>Trump said he would not block access to abortion medication \u2014 something a president could try to do through the F.D.A. or the Justice Department. Who knows if he\u2019d keep that promise? But it\u2019s another example of Trump trying to run away from the unpopular abortion policies his judicial appointees made possible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Bouie <\/strong>This is not small, but it is revealing: Both campaigns wanted this debate.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">French <\/strong>Biden couldn\u2019t effectively make even the easiest arguments. When Trump called America a failing nation, the most mediocre candidate could and should have pounced. He could and should have responded with a rousing, patriotic rebuttal. He couldn\u2019t do it. Even when he got stronger as the debate wore on, he couldn\u2019t make his case.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Goldberg <\/strong>The one true thing Trump said: \u201cWe\u2019re living in hell.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Guerrero <\/strong>Biden was the first person in the debate to bring up a woman who was killed by an immigrant. It was mind-boggling. He contributed to Trump\u2019s vision of immigrants as murderers, when <a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2024\/03\/08\/1237103158\/immigrants-are-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-than-us-born-americans-studies-find\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">statistics<\/a> show they\u2019re far less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Labash <\/strong>The big loser tonight was my sobriety. The only way to face the awful choice before us is stone-cold plastered. Thanks for nothing, primary voters. This is your fault. The unspoken winner was Jake Tapper\u2019s vest. Vests are elegant and slimming and deserve to make a comeback.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Lozada <\/strong>Given the chance to say that he would not use the presidency to go after political opponents, Trump didn\u2019t really take it. He said that \u201cmy retribution is going to be success,\u201d but he finished by calling Biden a \u201ccriminal\u2019 who might be convicted as soon as he leaves office.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Mangu-Ward <\/strong>Despite their posturing, the candidates agree on increasing tariffs \u2014 even though more trade barriers with China and other nations could raise already high U.S. prices. Trump said the quiet part loud when he asked, \u201cDo you notice he never took out my tariffs?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">McCarthy<\/strong> Biden\u2019s reliance on numbered lists made him sound like a specimen of an earlier era\u2019s rhetoric. It emphasized his age and undercut any impression of authenticity or dynamism. Trump has perhaps permanently changed the way politicians will talk.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Polgreen <\/strong>On substance, Biden had the right answers and sensible policies but struggled to articulate them. But his best lines and most convincing delivery were in response to personal attacks \u2014 \u201cMy son was not a loser, was not a sucker. You\u2019re the sucker. You\u2019re the loser,\u201d he said of his son Beau, a veteran who died of brain cancer. Biden also came alive in taunts about trivial matters. In an exchange about golf, of all things, saying, \u201cI\u2019m happy to play golf if you carry your own bag.\u201d I couldn\u2019t help asking myself: Where was that passion and focus on the stuff that really matters in this election?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\"><strong class=\"css-8qgvsz ebyp5n10\">Stephens <\/strong>The golf debate was a moment of inadvertent hilarity.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-798hid etfikam0\">Jamelle Bouie, David French, Michelle Goldberg, Carlos Lozada, Lydia Polgreen and Bret Stephens are Times columnists.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-798hid etfikam0\">Kristen Soltis Anderson is a contributing Opinion writer for The New York Times. She is a Republican pollster and a speaker, a commentator and the author of \u201cThe Selfie Vote: Where Millennials Are Leading America (and How Republicans Can Keep Up).\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-798hid etfikam0\">Josh Barro writes the newsletter <a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.joshbarro.com\/\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Very Serious<\/a> and is the host of the podcast \u201c<a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.serioustrouble.show\/podcast\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Serious Trouble<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-798hid etfikam0\">Jean Guerrero is a contributing Opinion writer for The New York Times. She is the author of \u201c<a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harpercollins.com\/products\/hatemonger-jean-guerrero?variant=32129863974946\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Hatemonger<\/a>: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda\u201d and \u201c<a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.penguinrandomhouse.com\/books\/557106\/crux-by-jean-guerrero\/\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Crux<\/a>: A Cross-Border Memoir\u201d and a senior fellow at the U.C.L.A. 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