{"id":6038,"date":"2025-09-16T20:50:23","date_gmt":"2025-09-16T20:50:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/friscotimes.org\/?p=6038"},"modified":"2025-09-18T20:14:07","modified_gmt":"2025-09-18T20:14:07","slug":"a-better-way-for-companies-to-handle-employee-comments-on-charlie-kirks-death","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/friscotimes.org\/?p=6038","title":{"rendered":"A better way for companies to handle employee comments on Charlie Kirk&#8217;s death"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Matthew Dowd, a political analyst for MSNBC, was the first high-profile personality to suffer consequences for commenting on Charlie Kirk\u2019s shooting in Utah last week: During a broadcast following Kirk\u2019s murder in front of students gathered at Utah Valley University, Dowd referenced some of the controversial statements Kirk, a strident conservative activist and MAGA supporter, had made in the past. \u201cHateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions,\u201d Dowd said. \u201cYou can\u2019t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and then not expect awful actions to take place.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>MSNBC apologized for the comments and fired <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/2025\/sep\/11\/msnbc-fires-matthew-dowd-charlie-kirk-shooting\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/2025\/sep\/11\/msnbc-fires-matthew-dowd-charlie-kirk-shooting\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Dowd <\/a>almost immediately.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Since then, the list of people who have been fired for sharing their views on Kirk\u2019s legacy has grown exponentially. They include <a href=\"https:\/\/thehill.com\/homenews\/media\/5503726-washington-post-karen-attiah-charlie-kirk-posts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/thehill.com\/homenews\/media\/5503726-washington-post-karen-attiah-charlie-kirk-posts\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Karen Attiah<\/a>, a columnist at the <em>Washington Post;<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/6619692\/2025\/09\/11\/panthers-employee-fired-charlie-kirk-post\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/6619692\/2025\/09\/11\/panthers-employee-fired-charlie-kirk-post\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Charlie Rock<\/a>, a comms executive for the Carolina Panthers football team, and unnamed corporate employees <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/legal\/litigation\/nasdaq-fires-employee-over-social-media-posts-charlie-kirk-shooting-2025-09-12\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/legal\/litigation\/nasdaq-fires-employee-over-social-media-posts-charlie-kirk-shooting-2025-09-12\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">at Nasdaq<\/a>, research center the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bostonglobe.com\/2025\/09\/12\/metro\/broad-institute-employee-fired-after-charlie-kirk-post\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.bostonglobe.com\/2025\/09\/12\/metro\/broad-institute-employee-fired-after-charlie-kirk-post\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Broad Institute<\/a>, and the law firm <a href=\"https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/09\/perkins-coie-fires-lawyer-over-this-charlie-kirk-post\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/abovethelaw.com\/2025\/09\/perkins-coie-fires-lawyer-over-this-charlie-kirk-post\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Perkins Coie<\/a>. Other companies that have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/business\/charlie-kirk-death-social-media-post-jobs-0773a8ac?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAj21EaP_qJKrUP1yZUgBaa5irzk_PsJE7dKls8whymb-OLIhw2ynci2aI2N5EY%3D&amp;gaa_ts=68c97fbe&amp;gaa_sig=NsH0N0U-bYBbsUTrKoMf3a0F7NxS4Srbb2EA6D4znKU5h7R-wbvm0ezSggUNvwH6kR5sygkkOFwyz6UOpJAgLQ%3D%3D\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/business\/charlie-kirk-death-social-media-post-jobs-0773a8ac?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAj21EaP_qJKrUP1yZUgBaa5irzk_PsJE7dKls8whymb-OLIhw2ynci2aI2N5EY%3D&amp;gaa_ts=68c97fbe&amp;gaa_sig=NsH0N0U-bYBbsUTrKoMf3a0F7NxS4Srbb2EA6D4znKU5h7R-wbvm0ezSggUNvwH6kR5sygkkOFwyz6UOpJAgLQ%3D%3D\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">suspended or dismissed employee<\/a>s over social media statements or public comments include American Airlines, United, Delta, Walmart, and Office Depot. Meanwhile, the number of those <a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/15\/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/15\/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">who have been flagged<\/a> by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/15\/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/15\/charlie-kirks-death-celebration-consquences\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">organized online conservative activists<\/a> for having made what they consider inappropriate comments has reportedly reached into the thousands.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Most of the statements about Kirk\u2019s death that have landed people in trouble are pointed statements about the late activist\u2019s extreme right positions on gun control, race, and DEI, or on abortion, feminism, and LGBTQ+ issues. A few have gone further, celebrating Kirk\u2019s murder or suggesting he brought it upon himself. But many of these comments explicitly condemn violence and the killing, while still taking issue with Kirk\u2019s well-documented talking points. These cases have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/16\/charlie-kirk-show-fired-delta-american-airlines\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.axios.com\/2025\/09\/16\/charlie-kirk-show-fired-delta-american-airlines\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">raised concerns<\/a> about overzealous responses from companies and left many companies unsure of how to proceed.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s a complicated question: Kirk <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/charliekirk11\/status\/1786189687260103119\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/x.com\/charliekirk11\/status\/1786189687260103119\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">was himself<\/a> a critic of \u201ccancel culture\u201d who argued passionately for the importance of free speech. But as the guest host of Kirk\u2019s podcast this week, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/cn0r5y33pj5o\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/cn0r5y33pj5o\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">Vice President JD Vance suggested<\/a> that companies should take action against their employees for expressing opinions on Kirk\u2019s death: \u201cWhen you see someone celebrating Charlie\u2019s murder, call them out\u2014and, hell, call their employer.\u201d Meanwhile, many progressives who cheered the firing of participants in the Jan. 6 rally that turned into riots are appalled by dismissals of Kirk\u2019s critics now.<\/p>\n<p>All to say that, for business leaders, the tragedy of what appears to be political violence (though the suspect\u2019s motivation and political leaning <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/charlie-kirk-shooter-search-investigation-suspect-what-we-know\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/charlie-kirk-shooter-search-investigation-suspect-what-we-know\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">remains the subject of speculation<\/a>) has turned into a legal and reputational quagmire, raising complicated questions about how far employers should go in disciplining employees in an era when companies are also expected to support healthy debate and transparency.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Some employers and employees remain unclear about where the red lines are and what happens when they\u2019re crossed, says Jonathan Segal, an attorney and partner at Duane Morris in New York who specializes in employment law.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But that\u2019s not for a lack of experience. In the last two years alone, ideological divides have been exposed by the Israel-Gaza crisis, the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and other politically motivated violence and murders in the U.S.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The most important thing for companies to do is lay out a clear policy on speech, says Alison Taylor, a clinical professor in the Business and Society Program at NYU Stern School of Business, who says she\u2019s watching in horror as the Kirk comments are reported and the dismissals play out.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt should be clear to anybody working in your company what you can and can\u2019t say online, and what your code of conduct is,\u201d Taylor says. (And the policy should be easy to find, not something hiding deep within a company\u2019s online handbook.) \u201cIf you are firing people on the basis of these comments and you haven\u2019t put out that guidance, I don\u2019t think you can get away with that.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The limits of free speech at work<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>One reason employers need to be proactive about social media policies is that employees remain confused about their protections. \u201cEmployees still ask about their First Amendment rights,\u201d says Segal, \u201cbut generally speaking, there are no free speech rights in a workplace.\u201d In the U.S., most private sector workers are at-will employees, and private employers have the right to fire people over rules set by a company\u2019s code of conduct, he explains. Only those who work for the government have speech-related constitutional protections under federal or state laws, and even they face <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/essay\/amdt1-7-9-4\/ALDE_00013549\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" aria-label=\"Go to https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/essay\/amdt1-7-9-4\/ALDE_00013549\/\" class=\"sc-4f49155c-0 hLtviE\">some limits<\/a>.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In most private workplaces, speech is not protected unless there is some legal principle that otherwise would shield employees from retribution, Segal said. (One example is a whistleblower comment about an employer\u2019s conduct.) That doesn\u2019t seem to be the case with the statements people are making about Kirk, he added.<\/p>\n<p>Segal advises employers who are weighing their options following a contentious employee outburst to run through a series of questions to determine a course of action. Is the remark, on its face, encouraging violence or hatred? If so, the employer may face more risk for not terminating that person than for firing them, because of the message a company\u2019s response sends to other employees and the public, says Segal.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s also worth examining <em>who<\/em> made the comment, Segal says. If it\u2019s an executive or someone with more authority, they may be held to more rigorous standards, given that they\u2019re more likely seen as company representatives and usually have employees reporting to them. The venue for the potentially odious comment is another relevant factor, says Segal. Some social media platforms, such as LinkedIn, more clearly tie a person to their place of work and reflect poorly on the employer.<\/p>\n<p>But nuance also comes into play, especially when the statement is made outside of work or in the employee\u2019s personal capacity. \u201cEven if employees don\u2019t have speech rights, per se,\u201d he says, \u201chow far do you want to go as a culture in admonishing people for statements they make outside?\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The importance of staying consistent<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>That\u2019s the larger question that Taylor says has become \u201cincredibly difficult\u201d in recent years.\u00a0 \u201cA company may have broad, consistent principles that would apply to, let\u2019s say, expressing racist hate speech online, and also apply to celebrating a murder,\u201d she says, \u201cAnd I can understand that both those things shouldn\u2019t be allowed, but the problem that we really mustn\u2019t get into is inconsistency.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Taylor, who also works as a consultant with large global companies, reports that one firm she is working with previously encouraged employee activism and took strong stands on Russia and Ukraine, as well as domestic movements such as Black Lives Matter. Now some companies that previously went out on a limb are regretting it, she says. Worse, some have swung to the opposite extreme, taking draconian stands on employee communications.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cRegardless of what you think about Charlie Kirk, Israel, or DEI,\u201d says Taylor, \u201cit\u2019s a terrible idea to look as if you shift in the breeze depending on who\u2019s in power. That was a terrible idea in 2020 and it\u2019s still a terrible idea in 2025.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Still other business leaders who have refrained from switching positions have instead gone quiet, \u201cafraid to stick their necks out at the moment on this question,\u201d says Taylor. \u201cSo the general impression ends up being a little imbalanced.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The bottom line: \u201cThis is a perfect moment to get principles in place and have an organizational-wide discussion.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Here\u2019s what else leaders should keep in mind:<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p><strong>Create guidelines, not hard rules: <\/strong>To avoid the gray areas of policing political commentary outside work, companies can create policies that simply ask employees to pause before posting instead, says Segal. He suggested: \u201cWhat you say may be seen as speaking for the company; please think twice before engaging in social media of a political nature.\u201d Employees should also be reminded that posting a positive message about a political or controversial figure may also suggest that you endorse those persons\u2019 views.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Never take sides:<\/strong> Employers should be apolitical in when it comes to enforcing rules, says Segal. \u201cIf an employer is going to condemn and potentially terminate an employee for celebrating the murder or attempted murder of someone, they should do that whether the person\u2019s on the left or the right,\u201d he says. \u201cThat may not always go to legality, but that will always go to cultural credibility.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Consider warnings or suspensions before terminations:<\/strong> Many of this week\u2019s firings over Charlie Kirk have reportedly happened swiftly, without investigations or even conversations. But before terminating someone, an employer should consider taking less drastic action while sorting through the issues, says Taylor. \u201cIt\u2019s a little bit like sexual harassment,\u201d she says. \u201cAs soon as there\u2019s an allegation and you say there\u2019s zero tolerance, then you\u2019ve kind of got a very blunt instrument\u2014for a very complicated topic.\u201d\n<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Matthew Dowd, a political analyst for MSNBC, was the first high-profile personality to suffer consequences for commenting on Charlie Kirk\u2019s shooting in Utah last week: During a broadcast following Kirk\u2019s&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":321,"featured_media":6039,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[6],"tags":[1491,4753,1590,1378,4407,7277,7218],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v24.5 - 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